Aircraft accident over Warrenpoint July 1944

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#31 Post by bandsman » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:19 pm

silly me :oops:

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#32 Post by nkrumah » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:45 am

I actually have a couple of ARP lapel badges...somewhere.

Surprisingly untarnished last time I saw them. I had an uncle who collected stuff, one of them may even be his since he was an aux fireman, in Co Antrim. I think they say "NIARP" in white on a green background.

Off to Ebay now, not sure that I'd sell them though

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Re: Aircraft accident over Warrenpoint July 1944

#33 Post by dp_burke » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:08 pm

Folks,

the kind people over at http://www.RAFCommands.com answered this for you:

Oxford I - LX598 of 290 Sqn Long Kesh/Co.Down collided during a Civil Defence Demonstration with Martinet TT.1 - MS626 (same unit) due to bad weather conditions (mist).
The Oxford crashed 1 mile off the Warrenpoint pier killing three pilots:
W/O Lucien A.W.J. ECCLES - 1931095
F/Sgt Dennis MYERS - 1217452
Sgt Peter STURDY - 1382750
The Martinet crashed on public bath houses Oxford-Duke Street, killing
W/O (Pilot) Albert G. GIBB - 1118383
Sgt (Airgunner) George W. MOSEY - 1041594.
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No 290 Squadron

Formed at Newtownards on 1 December 1943 from No 1617 and No 1480 Anti-Aircraft Co-operation Flights. It was initially equipped with Oxfords, Martinets,

Hurricanes and Spitfire VBs, most of which remained its equipment (except for the Hurricanes) for the whole of its career.

It role was to provide target towing and to carry out attack simulations in order to provide continuation train for anti-aircraft units in its area, which

was Northern Ireland. It moved to Turnhouse to cover Scotland in August 1944 and in January 1945 it moved onto Belgium to provide the same service to

anti-aircraft units protecting Allied units on the continent. The squadron finally disbanded on 27 October 1945

http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn286-290.htm

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The personnell from the http://www.cwgc.org site. All remains recovered and returned to home towns.

Name: ECCLES, LUCIEN ARTHUR WILLIAM JOSEPH
Initials: L A W J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1931095
Additional information: Son of William and Anne Eccles; husband of Mary Ellen Eccles, of Hindley Green, Wigan.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 42. Grave J. 40.
Cemetery: LEIGH CEMETERY



Name: MYERS, DENNIS
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1217452
Additional information: Son of Robert Cristopher and Emily Myers, of Boroughbridge.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot D. Grave 866A.
Cemetery: BOROUGHBRIDGE CEMETERY


Name: STURDY, PETER
Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1382750
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. R. Grave 2272.
Cemetery: WILLESDEN NEW CEMETERY

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Name: GIBB, ALBERT GORDON
Initials: A G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1118383
Additional information: Son of Albert Ernest and Ursula Ann Gibb, of Huyton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 6. Grave 67.
Cemetery: PRESCOT CEMETERY


Name: MOSEY, GEORGE WILLIAM
Initials: G W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1041594
Additional information: Son of Richard and Alice Jane Mosey; husband of Doreen Mosey, of Hamsterley Colliery.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 51.
Cemetery: CONSETT (WESTWOOD) CEMETERY

If you wish to confirm the aircraft in question, you can contact the RAF Museum in Hendon, and ask for the Form 1180 crash cards for the two aircraft quoted above.

best regards

Dennis Burke
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#34 Post by Brian » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:17 pm

Excellent work there! (never thought of looking on the RAF site :oops: ) I had emailed a couple of people on the subject but had recived no replies, anyway that is the sort of stuff we need and many thanks for doing the research into that for us :thumbs:

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#35 Post by dp_burke » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:20 pm

If locals were interested, they could try to contact relatives of the men, contact the local town or village papers in England, check the bt.com online phone book for those places and surnames and you could organise a memorial service later in the year or sometime.

It's sometimes very easy to find relatives and they can be very grateful to find out the fate of their loved one.

I didn't research this I just asked on the forum, it failed me to find out who they were.

Cheers

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#36 Post by northbrook » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:34 pm

I witnessed this crash along with the rest of my family,and the most of Warrenpoint.
As a matter of fact I and a couple of school pals were among the first at the site in Duke St.,much to the annoyance of my worried mother.
Thank you for a well crafted piece of research.

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#37 Post by wildthang001 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:12 pm

Hello all,
I am writing to post this picture as I have recently inherited two photographs of my Great uncle George William moses and found this site via a lovely lady called Janet Brown as I was struggling to piece together my great uncles death over warrenpoint. So My great uncle george was a gunner in the 290 squadron of the RAF ane sadly lost his life at warrenpoint (no point putting more as no doubt you are all aware of this tragedy). Basically my aim is to create albums with photos and documentation of my ancestors so that my son and hopefully future children and family will have an insight into them. I have tried to include the photo but it's too big so i'm playing at resizing it and I will put it in ASAP. But I basically know what you all know if not less so if anyone would be so kind as to let me know how I can find more info via paper clippings or articles I would be most grateful. Kind regards Richard

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#38 Post by Linda » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:29 pm

My father announced one night after we had watched Dad's Army that he use to be in the Home Guards, we think this was before he joined the RAF but he never talked about it.

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#39 Post by Stanley » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:12 pm

I remember my mother talking about this accident and it has been very interesting to learn the full details. The type of aircraft involved are not well known and the attached photographs may be helpful.
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#40 Post by Brian » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:20 pm

wildthang001, if you get stuck email it me and I will add it in for you.

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#41 Post by wildthang001 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:49 pm

Thank you brian but my trusty brother has done some editing......But if it could be done better I will...Just let me know.....Thanks fella

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#42 Post by northbrook » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:29 pm

northbrook wrote:I witnessed this crash along with the rest of my family,and the most of Warrenpoint.
As a matter of fact I and a couple of school pals were among the first at the site in Duke St.,much to the annoyance of my worried mother.
Thank you for a well crafted piece of research.
Welcome Wildthang001, I sincerely hope you get the information you are seeking from this site, the memories of that day are still etched clearly on my mind, our house was about two hundred yards from one of the crash sites and our family as well as many others witnessed the tragedy unfold that day......hopefully we will be able to help you in your research............

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#43 Post by xpaddy » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:53 pm

I was only 14 months old then so not able to add anything.
I remember hearing about it when I was growing up.

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#44 Post by wildthang001 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:29 pm

Hello northbrook,
Thank you for reading and replying to my post. I believe Brian (administrator) is going to post my great uncles photo as I was "having issues with the computer".... I could be wrong but I would have thought if there was dense fog....Surely would they have called it off OR.....am i just ...A) just thinking like the politically correct/health and safety world of today.....or B)...."" was it the good old gung ho fighting spirit that we lack in this day and age...""....... also i've seen the paper clippings of the planes and my Great uncle george was a gunner and I thought there were only gunners on large planes....only the clips they look like small fighters.....Also an uncle who is alive did say my grandmother said the only mark on George was a cut on his face ??? I would like to know whether he was in the "town hall" plane or the one out to sea......Do you know if there is anyway I could find that out ?

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#45 Post by northbrook » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:13 pm

There was no fog about that day, on the contrary, a bright sunny summer`s day ....................I would think your relative would have been in the aircraft that crashed in the sea , although I have no way of knowing that for sure .............

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#46 Post by wildthang001 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:15 pm

Sorry my error but I thought I'd read it somewhere that they collided in foggy conditions...

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#47 Post by northbrook » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:35 pm

You should find this interesting ..........I`ve no memory of bad weather on the day, but it is more than sixty years ago...........The Martinet crashed at the back of a public house in Duke St.......................................
dp_burke wrote:Folks,

the kind people over at http://www.RAFCommands.com answered this for you:

Oxford I - LX598 of 290 Sqn Long Kesh/Co.Down collided during a Civil Defence Demonstration with Martinet TT.1 - MS626 (same unit) due to bad weather conditions (mist).
The Oxford crashed 1 mile off the Warrenpoint pier killing three pilots:
W/O Lucien A.W.J. ECCLES - 1931095
F/Sgt Dennis MYERS - 1217452
Sgt Peter STURDY - 1382750
The Martinet crashed on public bath houses Oxford-Duke Street, killing
W/O (Pilot) Albert G. GIBB - 1118383
Sgt (Airgunner) George W. MOSEY - 1041594.

##################################

No 290 Squadron

Formed at Newtownards on 1 December 1943 from No 1617 and No 1480 Anti-Aircraft Co-operation Flights. It was initially equipped with Oxfords, Martinets,

Hurricanes and Spitfire VBs, most of which remained its equipment (except for the Hurricanes) for the whole of its career.

It role was to provide target towing and to carry out attack simulations in order to provide continuation train for anti-aircraft units in its area, which

was Northern Ireland. It moved to Turnhouse to cover Scotland in August 1944 and in January 1945 it moved onto Belgium to provide the same service to

anti-aircraft units protecting Allied units on the continent. The squadron finally disbanded on 27 October 1945

http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn286-290.htm

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The personnell from the http://www.cwgc.org site. All remains recovered and returned to home towns.

Name: ECCLES, LUCIEN ARTHUR WILLIAM JOSEPH
Initials: L A W J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1931095
Additional information: Son of William and Anne Eccles; husband of Mary Ellen Eccles, of Hindley Green, Wigan.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 42. Grave J. 40.
Cemetery: LEIGH CEMETERY



Name: MYERS, DENNIS
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1217452
Additional information: Son of Robert Cristopher and Emily Myers, of Boroughbridge.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot D. Grave 866A.
Cemetery: BOROUGHBRIDGE CEMETERY


Name: STURDY, PETER
Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1382750
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. R. Grave 2272.
Cemetery: WILLESDEN NEW CEMETERY

######################

Name: GIBB, ALBERT GORDON
Initials: A G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1118383
Additional information: Son of Albert Ernest and Ursula Ann Gibb, of Huyton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 6. Grave 67.
Cemetery: PRESCOT CEMETERY


Name: MOSEY, GEORGE WILLIAM
Initials: G W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 290 Sqdn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 15/07/1944
Service No: 1041594
Additional information: Son of Richard and Alice Jane Mosey; husband of Doreen Mosey, of Hamsterley Colliery.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 51.
Cemetery: CONSETT (WESTWOOD) CEMETERY

If you wish to confirm the aircraft in question, you can contact the RAF Museum in Hendon, and ask for the Form 1180 crash cards for the two aircraft quoted above.

best regards

Dennis Burke
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#48 Post by Brian » Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:14 am

Here is the picture sent over:


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#49 Post by xpaddy » Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:38 am

wildthang001 - your great uncle looks very handsome in his
uniform and so young.
Sad this had to happen.

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#50 Post by northbrook » Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:58 am

Many thanks for posting, I`m sure this is the first time anyone in Warrenpoint has seen a picture of any of those airmen who were so tragically killed that day, may they rest in peace ..............................................

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#51 Post by joanne » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:18 am

wildthang001,it's nice to be able to put a face to one of the young men involved in this accident which happened 13 years before I was born.Like so many other people in Warrenpoint,I grew up hearing this story, but to tell you the truth,it was just another of those "during the war stories".We all had so much going on in our own world that we never sat back and thought about what life was like then.Thanks to Brian,this site, and it's members,I for one now know the personal background to a lot of things I had taken for granted.

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#52 Post by northbrook » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:49 pm

This is an image of the type of aircraft ( Miles Martinet ) that crashed behind Houricans Public House in Duke Street

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Airspeed AS 10 Oxford, similar to the aircraft that crashed into Carlingford Lough close to the Baths ...................

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#53 Post by Liz » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:22 pm

wildthang001, your great uncle was a very handsome young airman........... very sad for his family to lose him in those circumstances.

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#54 Post by wildthang001 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:41 pm

Firstly I must say once again a big thank you to Janet Brown who helped me find this fantastic site, Secondly for Brian who has done a fantastic job with the photos and to you all for you replies,further information for me and all your kind words. I wish I could have known my great uncle....Maybe sat on his lap in my youth and listened avidly to his stories but visiting your site I feel as though I know him....God bless you my Great uncle George....look after my mom and your sisters x.

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#55 Post by patMG07 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:47 pm

Like Joanne I had only heard some of the stories of that day many years later. Seeing the photos and hearing more about one of the people who tragically lost that day, brings history to life. You should be rightly proud of your great uncle wildthang001.

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#56 Post by Brian » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:07 pm

Myself and Ged went to do a bit of research tonight and found the following:

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and then this, the newspaper report following the accident.

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There are no other reference's to the incident that we could find in the weeks following up to August, although it was mentioned in the minutes of a later urban council meeting.

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#57 Post by Stanley » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:21 pm

Brian : Excellent piece of research and it is interesting to read this version. Stanley

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#58 Post by xpaddy » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:31 pm

It was lucky for those people that day watching this
show.
There could have been lots more fatalities.
The paper mentioned the pilots did everything to avert
this.

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#59 Post by northbrook » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:42 pm

Well done everyone for teasing out this important piece of Warrenpoint`s war-time history, a pity it had such a tragic outcome, but as the report states the crews action probably saved a lot of civilian casualities on the day, some consolation for their families we hope..................................................

Regarding the picture of the Home Guard midway through the topic, I think one of the guardsmen in the photo may be Willie John Larmour as well as Mr.McCabe, Brian`s G.Grandfather .............................................

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#60 Post by Stanley » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:01 pm

Extract from Flight Magazine July 26th 1945
"The End of the Line" Last Airspeed Oxford Trainer Delivered to the RAF.
The first Airspeed Oxford advanced trainer appeared in 1937 and went into service with the R.A.F. in January 1938. On July 14th 1945, the last machine was delivered to the R.A.F. at a little ceremony in Portsmouth, it being the 4,411th built by Airspeeds. In all, more than 8,000 of these machines have been built, firms such as the de Havilland Aircraft Company, the Percival Aircraft Company, and the Standard Motor Company having been in quantity production with this machine at various times and for various periods.
When it came out first the Oxford 1 was laid out for training in navigation, photography, bomb-aiming, air gunnery and radio in addition to pilot training.

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